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		<title>Microsoft, Google split over browser bug bounty</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[February 9 2010 &#8211; Orlando Video Production RT
To entice security researchers to look for holes in the Chrome browser,  Google has announced it will pay $500 for bugs found in the code. But  several experts say that&#8217;s not enough money to motivate skilled  vulnerability researchers.
&#8220;I think it&#8217;s ridiculous,&#8221; Charlie  Miller, a [...]]]></description>
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<p>To entice security researchers to look for holes in the Chrome browser,  Google has announced it will pay $500 for bugs found in the code. But  several experts say that&#8217;s not enough money to motivate skilled  vulnerability researchers.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s ridiculous,&#8221; Charlie  Miller, a senior security researcher at Independent Security Evaluators,  said when asked Monday for his opinion of Google&#8217;s new bug bounty  program. &#8220;It&#8217;s insulting. It&#8217;s so low.&#8221;</p>
<p>Under Google&#8217;s new &#8220;experimental&#8221; incentive program, announced  last week, people will get paid $500 for select interesting and  original security vulnerabilities discovered in Chrome, or $1,337 for  particularly severe or clever bugs. That figure refers to the geek term  for elite, or &#8220;leet,&#8221;  which can be spelled out using the numbers.</p>
<p>Mozilla pays $500 to researchers who find valid security bugs in the Firefox browser, the Thunderbird e-mail client, or the Mozilla suite.</p>
<p>Jeremiah Grossman, chief technology officer and co-founder of WhiteHat  Security, said Google&#8217;s plan could be the start of an interesting trend.</p>
<p>&#8220;If a researcher is purely interested in the dollar reward,  then by all means he should go where the dollar is highest. But if you  happen to find one because it&#8217;s fun and interesting to you, then you&#8217;ll  get paid too,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I&#8217;ve been suggesting Microsoft should do this  for a long time but they have a moral issue with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Microsoft  is sticking with its no-bounty stance.</p>
<p>&#8220;Microsoft does not offer  compensation for information regarding security vulnerabilities. We do  not believe that offering compensation for vulnerability information is  the best way we can help protect our customers,&#8221; said Dave Forstrom,  group manager of Microsoft Trustworthy Computing. &#8220;We also do not think  it fosters the growth of a healthy ecosystem.&#8221;</p>
<p>You would think  Google would be roundly praised for offering to pay researchers for work  they often do for free. But not everyone is impressed.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s  probably better to pay professional QA [quality assurance] people and  pen [penetration] testers than to expect the public to do your testing  for you on the cheap,&#8221; said Gary McGraw, chief technology officer at  Cigital and a specialist in secure code writing processes. &#8220;No excellent  professional tester I know would be attracted by a bounty like  that&#8211;perhaps adolescents would do it for beer money (or rather Red Bull  and vodka money).&#8221;</p>
<p>Miller&#8217;s criticism might be particularly  stinging, given that he announced a campaign called &#8220;No More Free  Bugs,&#8221; about a year ago. He argued that vendors should pay when  outside researchers discover vulnerabilities in their commercial  software instead of freeloading on the efforts of volunteer bug hunters  whose work ends up making the products safer.</p>
<p>&#8220;In some senses  this is my dream come true,&#8221; Miller said. &#8220;I&#8217;ve been begging vendors for  this. And then when it happens I&#8217;m bitter and critical,&#8221; because it&#8217;s  so much lower than what researchers can make from bounty programs at  VeriSign iDefense&#8217;s  Vulnerability Contributor Program and the Zero Day Initiative run by  3Com&#8217;s TippingPoint.</p>
<p>&#8220;If I did find a bug in Chrome, I could  sell it to the Zero Day Initiative and make $2,000 and it still gets  reported to Google eventually, so why would I give it to Google for  $500? It doesn&#8217;t make sense,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Pedram Amini, who runs  the Zero Day Initiative, wouldn&#8217;t say exactly how much the program pays  for bugs, but did allow that &#8220;on average it&#8217;s over 10 times what  Google&#8217;s offering.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Google is the first huge company to create a  bug bounty. I&#8217;m happy they&#8217;re doing it. It&#8217;s a step in the right  direction,&#8221; he said. &#8220;But pricing-wise, they&#8217;re not going to be able to  compete with other bug bounty programs.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>On the bright side</strong><br />
Granted, it might be easier to find bugs  in beta software than in products that have been released to the public,  which the Zero Day Initiative focuses on, according to Amini. And it&#8217;s  wise for Google to do something to attract the attention of researchers  to its browser, which is much newer and has fewer users than the other  major browsers, he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think there is going to be a subset  of people who will use the Google program,&#8221; he said. &#8220;One thing that is  certain&#8211;vulnerabilities do have value.&#8221;</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s pay scheme is  at the low end of what iDefense pays, according to Rick Howard, director  of iDefense Intelligence.</p>
<p>&#8220;Google has always shown that it is  willing to take on large and complex projects for which it has no past  experience and make a success of it. I see no reason why they should not  succeed in this one,&#8221; Howard said.</p>
<p>And Google doesn&#8217;t always go  cheap. Last July,  it paid more than $8,000 to a team of researchers that won a Native  Client Security Contest.</p>
<p>Asked to comment on complaints that  $500 is too little compensation for bug hunters, Chris Evans of the  Google Security Team wrote in an e-mail: &#8220;We took care to design the  program to allow for a wide variety of bugs to qualify for payment and  to make it easier for researchers to participate&#8211;for example, we don&#8217;t  necessarily need a working exploit (which is often much more difficult  than finding a bug) and we&#8217;re interested in bugs even if they manifest  within the Chromium sandbox.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chromium is the open-source  project for Google&#8217;s Chrome browser and unreleased Chrome operating  system. Evans said it was too early to say whether Chrome OS would be  included in the bounty program after it launches.</p>
<p>&#8220;Chromium has  already benefited from collaboration with security researchers, and we  expect they will continue to scrutinize the Chromium code and help us  improve it regardless of any action we take,&#8221; he said. &#8220;To them, this  reward can be seen as a token of appreciation. To others, we hope the  addition of a reward may encourage new people to participate beyond how  they might have otherwise.&#8221;</p>
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